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2010-01-23T05:58:12.106-06:00

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3. Anyone experience anything about the easy googl...

2010-01-08T07:15:25.262-06:00

3. Anyone experience anything about the easy google profit kit? I discovered a lot of advertisements around it. I also found a site that is supposedly a review of the program, but the whole thing seems kind of sketchy to me. However, the cost is low so I’m going to go ahead and try it out, unless any of you have experience with this system first hand?
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Anon is a coward. He/She is not brave enough to us...

2009-12-12T11:00:54.137-06:00

Anon is a coward. He/She is not brave enough to use a real name and argue with us.

Anon, take your morning coffee before firing up t...

2009-12-12T10:12:33.738-06:00

Anon, take your morning coffee before firing up the old computer next time. ’Kay?

wow! reading what all you immature godless pervert...

2009-12-12T10:07:08.050-06:00

wow! reading what all you immature godless perverts had to write, illustrates why America is past tense as a great country. The colleges have been turned into social labs for all misfits who got picked on as children and now get to be "professors". Your not smart enough to see why a country that has no morals or values can not succeed as a democracy. Of course homosexuals are sick and twisted. The mind set of the ugly girl who cant get a man, says it all. Sleep with whoever you want, men,women, dogs, cats or children and if you get pregnant, just murder the baby.
Oh yeah, our colleges are producing a fine crop of lemmings who can't think for themselves and just follow the lowest common denominator.
I bet you voted for Satan, I mean, Obama too, huh? I think it speaks volumes that they can't find anyone that is even remotely intelligent to offer an opinion on this very wise professor and had to quote the ugly atheist girl as the anti-God, anti-American anti-common-sense spokesman.(I am assuming that she use to be a man by looking at her picture). sit down and shut the fuck up you ignorant, failure fo a human being,

the consequences that cause the disease can lead t...

2009-11-27T14:48:41.537-06:00

the consequences that cause the disease can lead to death, and so this disease is painful and people suffering from it suffers greatly by the constant pain.

~ AIDS has only been a way for politicians to prof...

2009-11-22T00:01:23.004-06:00

~ AIDS has only been a way for politicians to profit through deals with big pharma ~ they made billions ~ there is also a new film about this subject ~ check it out at www.houseofnumbers.com

Err – that should be “those who accept it”.

2009-11-10T20:01:00.137-06:00

Err – that should be “those who accept it”.

Okay, originally typed a longer response here, but...

2009-11-10T19:58:49.190-06:00

Okay, originally typed a longer response here, but Jen went ahead and summed it all up perfectly. I’ll just reply to these small bits, then:

« --yes, that is what you're saying. He hasn't acted on the opinions at all, he's not denied service to anyone. Your whole assertion of "harm" is that he's allegedly made students uncomfortable to talk to him. »

No – again, I never said he should be fired for “making people uncomfortable”. I’m saying that, as a professor, he is charged with the responsibility of guiding the students around him. I’m not saying he did violate his duties in letting his stupid opinions taint what he says or the work he does; I’m saying that IF it does happen, then he should be fired, and rightfully so. If he keeps his bigotry to himself, then he should stay, as long as he says stupid things on his own time.

« Granted, he is a professor, so he's held to a higher standard than I assume the rest of you are. It still reeks of hypocrisy to call for him being fired for daring to make the same tenor of comments as you guys do constantly. »

He is held to a higher standard at school and in terms of his function as a member of staff, yes, but not on his blog, where he can be as crude and stupid as he likes. Again, just as long as it doesn’t affect his work, and students, then I’m fine with that.

And that last bit about us saying the same sort of stuff he does – what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, we can be crude and snarky, but one will notice a slight distinction in the fact that we use reason, common sense and evidence to back up what we say, and he … doesn’t. Which is why he deserves to be mocked and flamed for spouting stupidity.

« Except that a good portion of the commenters here are saying he should be fired just because his claims were scientifically invalid. That may be, but it's intellectually bankrupt to be making that claim without any effort in actually proving it. »

Not if, as Jen said, such knowledge is common knowledge and can be found, in endless instances, within half-a-second of a Google search. Wild, baseless claims should be derided, but when information and evidence is so damned bountiful as it is in this case, claiming that not linking to it is “intellectually bankrupt” makes as much sense as claiming that one shouldn’t trust that evolution is true because those why accept it don’t pull up scientific journals for each claim.

Anonymous, I was not calling for him to be offici...

2009-11-10T19:47:49.029-06:00

Anonymous,

I was not calling for him to be officially reprimanded - I was asking my readers what their opinions were on the matter. I personally feel what he writes on his blog is protected as free speech, and he should not be fired or forced to resign.

That being said, I do feel that he should be criticized for saying things that are downright lies and slanderous against homosexuals. He has every right to say them, and I have every right to say he's a fool for saying them. If he thinks I'm wrong, he has every right to say I'm wrong. See the trend here? We're all open to our opinions.

Why didn't I do extensive research in my original post? Because everything I said about HIV and abstinence only education is effectively common knowledge by now (except, apparently, to Chapman) and I admit I was too lazy to go dig up the links.

And finally, his blog is not private. It is out there for everyone to read. It's not much different from him getting a letter to the editor published, which would cause just as big as a stink.

"That makes absolutely no sense" Fine, I'll clari...

2009-11-10T19:39:09.721-06:00

"That makes absolutely no sense"

Fine, I'll clarify - the fact that she's posting her own opinions here, such as that the Bible is bigoted and immoral, if she has an official position at Purdue, then she's doing the same thing he is - posting opinions as a face of Purdue. And she's calling for him to be officially reprimanded, if I'm reading her correctly. If she's not calling for that, or if she doesn't have an official position, then it's not hypocrisy, and I apologize for leveling the charge.

"No-one ever said he should be fired for making the students uncomfortable."
--yes, that is what you're saying. He hasn't acted on the opinions at all, he's not denied service to anyone. Your whole assertion of "harm" is that he's allegedly made students uncomfortable to talk to him.

Granted, he is a professor, so he's held to a higher standard than I assume the rest of you are. It still reeks of hypocrisy to call for him being fired for daring to make the same tenor of comments as you guys do constantly.

HOWEVER, he posted the comments on a private blog, and not anything he ever directed students toward, and the only reason he's being publically attacked at all is that he didn't hide his identity. So the thrust behind this claim that he should be punished for his post is results in a setting where people should be afraid to be honest about their identity online. That attitude should not be encouraged.

"Jen elaborated quite a lot"
No, she made claims. Unsourced claims, just like Chapman did. (Well, for the most part. He quotes at least one, even if he uses it incorrectly) The closest she gets is to saying that "study after study has shown that abstinence only education doesn't work", which is not a real rebuttal. It may be perfectly true, but you don't criticize someone for not using solid evidence without providing a shred yourself. And none of the rest of the comments here have done anything more.

"If he's so hurt and offended"
He's not publically demanding that anyone be fired, while there have been calls to his superiors asking him to be removed. This kind of nonsense has happened at Purdue before, where there were calls, from bloggers to the school, asking for someone to be fired just because he disagreed in the COMMENTS of someone's blog, and I believe the guy was at least put on probation. So, this whole "It's just the Internet" nonsense is exactly that.

"None of this has anything to do with science."
Except that a good portion of the commenters here are saying he should be fired just because his claims were scientifically invalid. That may be, but it's intellectually bankrupt to be making that claim without any effort in actually proving it.

Please understand: I don't disagree that his argument was immoral and badly researched. However, I fundamentally disagree with the claims that he should be FIRED for what he posted on a PRIVATE BLOG. I have no problem whatsoever with simple outrage at his opinion - I have a problem with the willful consequences that it has already engendered.

« So he said something on a private blog, and he's...

2009-11-10T14:32:47.086-06:00

« So he said something on a private blog, and he's purdue staff? Well, I've seen much more Purdue staff post stuff on their office doors, their places of business, about how Bush should have been killed, how Christianity is evil and should be eliminated, etc. If BlagHag has any official position at Purdue, she would open herself to hypocrisy by making this post. »

So, you’re saying that because Jen posted one bit of Purdue staff lunacy (the librarian’s homophobic hokum) and not the rest, that makes her a hypocrite?

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

« If you want to make the claim that he should be fired for "making the people around him uncomfortable", you DAMN sure better look at yourselves. I love my gay friends and family, and I support the community in general, but you guys...the continuous hatred you display towards those who disagree with you (suggestions that all Christians should die, etc.) is almost scary. »

Again, this makes no shred of sense. No-one ever said he should be fired for “making people uncomfortable”. Those who do advocate his release, explain it by him being a bigoted piece of work whose positions and mindset would very likely harm students around him. Professors are looked up to for guidance and support, and professors who betray such trust should not be professors, period.

Also, I did not advocate his release, myself. I said it would be up to Purdue administration, and that if his behavior and views did contaminate the student body, then he most definitely should be let go. Not for what he believes or says, but how such beliefs and words affect the students he’s supposed to be helping.

« And to top it all off, you characters on this blog love to massage your own egos about how "bad the opponent's science is", and how they're appealing to "emotional anecdotes and messages instead of science".

Well, so are you. As I said before, not one of you here has provided a single study or source contradicting Chapman's opinion. »

Uh – did you even read the freakin’ post? Or did you just skim it in your dire outrage? Jen elaborated quite a bit on just how and why what Chapman said was vile and plain wrong (making stuff up, spouting debunked and false assertions, lying about condoms, etc.). Sarcasm is a byproduct of her rightful indignation and disgust.

« And you're going to say "But this is just my blog/my comments on a blog." Well, what the hell do you think Chapman was doing, then? »

Well, if he’s so hurt and offended by a college student’s words (not that I mean that derogatorily, Jen), you know what he can do? Make a freakin’ blog post of his own about it and tackle us there. Sheesh. It’s not like he’s being backed into a corner with no way to fight back. It’s the Internet. He can do whatever the hell he wants: ignore us, rebuke us, etc.

Lastly, again, none of this, especially anything Chapman wrote (and wrote about), has anything to do with science. He wasn’t posting research, he just wrote an empty screed against gays and about how they waste our time and resources.

@joe No, merely very angry. Let me make things cl...

2009-11-10T14:15:52.740-06:00

@joe
No, merely very angry.

Let me make things clear.
I despise the message of Chapman's work. You're right, it's not a nice message.

But the replies here are pretty much topped with hypocrisy. So he said something on a private blog, and he's purdue staff? Well, I've seen much more Purdue staff post stuff on their office doors, their places of business, about how Bush should have been killed, how Christianity is evil and should be eliminated, etc. If BlagHag has any official position at Purdue, she would open herself to hypocrisy by making this post. There's even a group at Purdue, composed with T.A.'s and other students, which goes around, on-campus, ridiculing Christians every so often, and more than once the group has gloated about it in the Exponent, or been complained about by the local paper (i.e., they have been publicized as a face of Purdue).

And that's fine. There's no reason Blaghag and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. But if she, and you others here, want to make the claim that Chapman should be fired for "expressing a controversial opinion", look at yourselves. If you want to make the claim that he should be fired for "making the people around him uncomfortable", you DAMN sure better look at yourselves. I love my gay friends and family, and I support the community in general, but you guys...the continuous hatred you display towards those who disagree with you (suggestions that all Christians should die, etc.) is almost scary.

No, Chapman was not producing a formal research paper, he was posting poorly researched speculations. Which makes it even worse that you are calling for his dismissal - he wasn't even putting this forth as official, as part of his job - he was clear that it was his own idle thoughts.

As for my comment about von Braun, the idea that "professors must be approachable and foster an environment in which the students think he likes them in order to be good teachers" is historically ludicrous. Gigantic leaps in technology and science occurred only due to the same minds that you would ask for the dismissal of, and many courses at Purdue rely upon the research and teachings of those infinitely worse than Chapman. Yes, I am comparing him to a Nazi - as I said before, I DON'T AGREE WITH HIS CLAIMS. But the fact remains that polical correctness has no place in academia, which is specifically supposed to be a place to freely exchange ideas without fear of punishment. No thing merely said, no matter how vile, should merit punishment unless it specifically results in damage to someone. That's why we have slander laws. Chapman is not putting those opinions into practice - he was not even airing them officially.

And to top it all off, you characters on this blog love to massage your own egos about how "bad the opponent's science is", and how they're appealing to "emotional anecdotes and messages instead of science".

Well, so are you. As I said before, not one of you here has provided a single study or source contradicting Chapman's opinion.

And you're going to say "But this is just my blog/my comments on a blog." Well, what the hell do you think Chapman was doing, then?

If you want to pretend to be men of science, then damn well act like it.

"In the past four years at Purdue I have heard pro...

2009-11-10T13:07:43.401-06:00

"In the past four years at Purdue I have heard professors teach about their political alignments and their personal belief systems both inside and outside the classrooms."

Alas, I admit that I resemble that remark. I will admit to espousing a personal opinion on a topic unrelated to the class material. I said something about how "this is something you can do while reading the Exponent" or something like that, which sent me a sidelight to opine about how I was mad because they had stopped running the comic Rubes, which was the best comic in the newspaper.

Sorry, it had no place in the course, and therefore was an inappropriate comment.

Funny, no one came after me for "teaching my personal belief system" in that course. I never even got a negative comment about it in the evaluations. But if you look at it objectively, what I did was just as wrong as someone who announced their political affiliation.

In the past four years at Purdue I have heard prof...

2009-11-10T12:28:58.979-06:00

In the past four years at Purdue I have heard professors teach about their political alignments and their personal belief systems both inside and outside the classroom. This professor was discussing their personal opinions about something outside the classroom in a blog. To recommend or insinuate formal repercussions for this action like firing, or suspension is futile. Yes, he is paid to support the student body of Purdue University in the library, but he is also paid to be intellectual and to think about the World’s problems and any possible solution to fixing them. This is the problem with today’s cookie cutter educational system that reproaches any sort of deviating thought. I may not agree with all that he said, but I do think the article does have some intellectual value. I actually appreciate the vigor in which this issue is being argued in a society that is increasingly care free and anti-activist and I also appreciate that there is a professor out there willing to put himself on the line to express his beliefs in a non-professorial setting instead of worrying about the repercussions of losing his job, or credibility.

#Anony: You were high when you typed that, weren’t...

2009-11-10T12:02:11.665-06:00

#Anony:
You were high when you typed that, weren’t you? It’s okay, you can admit it. We won’t judge you.

We will judge you on that baseless and meaningless diatribe you just spewed, though. (Hopefully.)

(Seriously, anyone know what the heck (s)he’s even talking about? The bigoted librarian sure as hell wasn’t trying to do anything, and what his vile words have to do with science, no-one will ever know.)

~95% of the comments here, including the originati...

2009-11-10T11:56:38.202-06:00

~95% of the comments here, including the originating blog post by blaghag, show the exact kind of intellectual bankruptcy that you claim Chapman has made. Blaghag herself brings not one actual piece of evidence in her "rebuttal", but merely sarcasm.

#I don't know how many of you know it, but there is a sanctioned group, on the Purdue campus, and composed of TA's and such, whose projects revolve entirely around publically mocking Christians. And not any specific, controversial beliefs, either - just the fact that Christians exist.
#I go around the professor's offices, where they WORK and students HAVE TO GO TO TALK TO THEM, and nearly all of them have some "witty" news article or comic on their door openly mocking Christians, Conservatives, etc., and calling them evil. That material in a PLACE OF BUSINESS has a MUCH MORE REAL effect on students than a PERSONAL BLOG.

The specific arguments against his approach are astounding. "He's trying to make policy based on numbers, not people!". Well, when they try to make a case based on people, you revile his arguments as "bigoted" and call his religion evil. You specifically demand that he present evidence - and he tries, and you revile him, not for the numbers (There is not one source or study quoted in your bile, only your feelings), but for the fact that he even has a point of view.

THAT'S HOW SCIENCE WORKS, YOU IMBECILES. Yes, his opinions have disgusting implications. You know what? Nazi scientists like von Braun are the entire reason we have any of the advances that came from the space age. Modern medicine and the state of computers are also thanks to the Nazi's.

OF COURSE we should remove him if EVEN FOR A SECOND his beliefs become practice. But history has shown OVER AND OVER that the vitriol displayed above is exactly the kind of behavior that impedes scientific advancement and puts us into dark ages. (It's almost hilarious how little you guys realize the analagous behavior)

I agree with Corey. He spread his bigotry with hi...

2009-11-10T11:12:40.370-06:00

I agree with Corey.

He spread his bigotry with his actual name and associated those views with his profession (and his place of work). In doing so, his bigotry has already entered the classroom.

He has embarrassed the university, and hurt his graduate program's credibility and reputation. Not to mention, he has alienated students--the very population he is supposed to be working to support.

If he said anything wrong or untrue he would be su...

2009-11-10T09:26:51.525-06:00

If he said anything wrong or untrue he would be sued for slander against the gay community, right?

He should be fired, period. Free speech is a righ...

2009-11-07T20:25:55.897-06:00

He should be fired, period. Free speech is a right, but maintaining employment at any given institution is not. It is within Purdue University's rights to fire someone who spouts such blatantly hateful rhetoric, particularly when that person's job is to teach students and assist them in doing research at the library. His continued employment will ensure that gay students, and progressive students, feel incredibly uncomfortable meaning that they will essentially not feel comfortable enough to seek library assistance or take this mans classes. This is unbelievable.

I did not know any facts about AIDS and its spread...

2009-11-06T09:21:58.710-06:00

I did not know any facts about AIDS and its spread and was about to get on board with everyone else here but then I decided to look up a few of the facts. Most of what I have found does not support that homosexual activity is not the leading cause of the spread of AIDS. Instead of just ranting on could you post some facts disproving the Professor.

Would he feel better about it if the gays up and t...

2009-11-06T05:19:17.776-06:00

Would he feel better about it if the gays up and turned into straight christians? Then it would be okay for them to be utilizing resources. It would be the same damn resources. People are people! This guy is an idiot.

How the fuck did this idiot get tenure?

2009-11-04T11:14:12.000-06:00

How the fuck did this idiot get tenure?

This guy has an education?

2009-11-03T18:39:30.497-06:00

This guy has an education?

Dear god, imagine the economic impact that recogni...

2009-11-03T18:00:48.453-06:00

Dear god, imagine the economic impact that recognising black partnerships must have on people who don't approve of the "black lifestyle". This is so stupid I can only counter it with more stupid.